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North Carolina is not the only place in the country where republicans are using Obama to tie local democratic candidates to Rev Wright.  Woody Jenkins was on the air with ads that tied Cazayoux (or as they pronounced it "Taxyou", to Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama.  This in southern district that has voted republican for three decades.
 
IT DIDN'T WORK
 
If republicans can't win here, they can't win anywhere. 
 

2,961-vote margin for Cazayoux

Woody Jenkins (R): 46,741 votes (46.27 percent)
√ Don Cazayoux (D): 49,702 votes (49.20 percent)

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BAIPA: Chasby's comments

When I wrote about BAIPA (Born Alive Infant Protection Act) I paraphrased Chasby's arguement as follows:
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I do not believe that the human soul is contained in electric fields or any other kind of chemical bonds.  So to me the question becomes when does ensoulment occur.
 
Chasby delights in the fact that I don't know when ensoulment occurs or even what it means.  He will say that if I don't know when the fetus becomes human then I must err on the side of caution.  If a fetus might be human then it must be treated as human... you can't kill what might be human.  This is one of Chasby's better arguments and I have a lot of symapathy for it. 
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Chasby did not think this was sufficient and asked that I post the following statement, which I am happy to do in spite of the fact that he descibed this site as a "pro abortion liberal website".  It's ok,  Chasby, like so many conservatives, has a penchant for ad hominem.
 

Imagine that there are two hunters, named Gene and Gerry, who go out together deer hunting every fall.  They always set up camp the night before and then they always wake up very early in the morning, while it is still dark, in order to go to each of their pre-determined locations to wait for the deer to come out before sunrise.

 After having coffee, both go to their predetermined locations to wait for the deer.  While waiting, Gene nods off for several minutes and then is startled when he hears a rustling in the bushes in front of him in the pitch dark.

 Q: What should Gene do?

 A) Should Gene fire into the bushes and kill whatever is in there.  Gene *might* kill a deer.  Or . . . Gene might kill Gerry.  Gene doesn't really know for sure.

 B) Or should Gene call out to Gerry just to check and make sure that it isn't Gerry rustling in the bushes because Gerry might have decided that he wanted to come back to camp and have another cup of coffee before the sun came up?  If it is a deer in the bushes, the deer would then be scared and run away and Gene might miss yet a trophy to hang over his fireplace for the 10th year in a row.

* * *

The OBVIOUS answer is that the BURDEN OF PROOF rests with Gene to absolutely KNOW that he will NOT take an innocent human life before Gene fires blindly into the bushes.  Thinking that this rustling in the bushes it is probably a deer entirely insufficient.  If Gene fires into the bushes, he may very well kill Gerry.

 So the lesson here is this:  If you do not know WITH 100% CERTAINTY that you are NOT killing an innocent human, you MUST act in such a manner that protects and preserves potential innocent life.

 Therefore, the arguments that abortion is morally acceptable because either:

 A) we really don't even know if a fetus is human or not . . . or

B) even if we agree that the fetus is human, we don't yet know if this human has a soul yet or not . . .

 are both obviously false.

 When in doubt, you MUST always act in a manner that preserves human life.

 The burden of proof rests with those who want to KILL these innocent fetuses to prove with absolute certainty that these fetuses are not human.

 IF . . . we can not prove with absolute certainty that fetuses are NOT human and that they do NOT have soulsthen we must NOT kill them.  Just as Gene must not fire in the bushes in the dark unless he is 100% certain that he will not accidentally kill Gerry.  It is morally imperative that we MUST err on the side of preserving innocent life rather than erring on the side of killing innocent life.

The burden of prove as to when life begins, clearly rests with those who wish for abortion to be legal.  If they can not conclusively prove when life begins, then it is morally imperative that abortion not be allowed, except to save the life of the mother.

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At one time, Toady, you very reluctantly agreed to either define to me when "life" begins so as to define
at what point in the development of an unborn baby that abortion would change from morally acceptable to morally unacceptable.  Is that at conception?  Conception + 7 days?   Conception + 90 days?  Conception + 280 days?  You then later refused to do this and denied ever having agreed to such a thing
in the first place.  You obviously know that this means that your entire abortion position would come
crashing down like a house of cards because you can not meet this required burden of proof.  Checkmate.
 
However . . . whether you now refuse to do this or not, I *think* that you certainly logically agree that the
burden of proof logically rests with those who wish to allow unborn babies to be killed to explain why this is morally acceptable to do so, just as the burden of proof rests with Gene, the deer hunter, to explain why he should fire into the dark at a "rustling in the bushes" that *might* be a deer or that *might* be his good friend, Gerry.   When a  hunter is unsure whether or not he might be taking an innocent life -- Gerry in this example -- then that hunter has the logical moral obligation to NOT pull the trigger, regardless of how inconvenient or how embarrassing it might be for him to come home without a trophy to hang above his fireplace for the 10th year in a row.  All of the other hunters might tease him and his self-esteem might be lowered as a result.
 

Toady, do you agree with these statements above?  If not, why not?
 
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Since as you say, no human can ever state definitively when ensoulment begins, then it stands to reason that:
 
IF killing an innocent person with a soul is morally wrong . . .
 
THEN it is morally wrong to ever kill an unborn child at any point after conception since
you can not prove whether or not that child has a soul or does not have a soul.
 
Checkmate, Toady.
 
 
 
 
 
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Strike 3: the presumption of liberty and the 9th amendment

I have written a number of e-mails to Chasby on this subject.  He eventually came around to the position that, indeed, the constitution does insure an inalienable right to privacy.  I wanted to write this post myself, but I cannot do better than the essay below.  I would only add that Bork and Scalia are not originalists regardless of how they describe themselves.
 
I hope the length of the post will not discourage any readers who might wander this way.
 
:)

Toady
 

A NINTH AMENDMENT FOR TODAY'S CONSTITUTION

26 Valparaiso University Law Review 419 (1991)

Randy E. Barnett *

            On the first day of his Supreme Court confirmation testimony, Robert Bork described teaching a constitutional theory seminar at Yale Law School in which he tried to justify what he called "a general right of freedom" 1 from the various provisions of the Constitution.  He recalled that Alexander Bickel, with whom he taught the course, "fought me every step of the way; said it was not possible.  At the end of six or seven years, I decided he was right." 2 The next day, Bork testified:

      I do not think you can use the Ninth Amendment unless you know something of what it means.
      For example, if you had an amendment that says 'Congress shall make no' and then there is an ink
      blot and you cannot read the rest of it and that is the only copy you have, I do not think the court
      can make up what might be under the ink blot if you cannot read it.
      3

            In taking these two positions, former Judge Bork was, unfortunately, well within the mainstream of constitutional thought.  For two hundred years the Supreme Court of the United States has never seriously considered a general constitutional right to liberty; at the same time it has, with few exceptions, treated the Ninth Amendment as though it were an ink blot I suggest that the failure to find a 'general right of freedom' in the Constitution is connected to a general inability to understand the Ninth Amendment's declaration that: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." 4

              The bicentennial of the ratification of the Bill of Rights-including the Ninth Amendment-is an appropriate time to consider the important role that the Ninth Amendment can play in protecting our liberties under the Constitution.  Indeed, in this essay I shall explain how an interpretation ignoring the Ninth Amendment makes the Constitution look entirely different from one that takes the Ninth Amendment seriously.  Any understanding of how the Ninth Amendment can work harmoniously with the rest of the Constitution, however, requires a brief examination of the origins of this intriguing and pregnant passage.

THE ORIGINS OF THE NINTH AMENDMENT 

            The origins of the Ninth Amendment can be traced to the debate surrounding the ratification of the Constitution.  The Antifederalists, who opposed ratification, concentrated much of their attack on the absence of a bill of rights.  Although many Antifederalists were probably more concerned with defeating the Constitution than with obtaining a bill of rights, they repeatedly pressed this charge because it struck a responsive cord with the people.  The Federalists who supported ratification, such as Alexander Hamilton and James Wilson, gave two answers to this complaint.

             First, they said that a bill of rights was unnecessary.  Because the federal government was one of enumerated and limited powers, it would have no power to violate the rights of the people.  "Why, for instance," asked Hamilton, 'should it be said that the liberty 'of the press shall not be restrained when no power is given by which restrictions may be imposed?" 5  Second, they argued that a bill of rights would be dangerous.  Enumerating any rights might suggest to later interpreters of the Constitution that the rights not specified had been surrendered.  An enumeration of rights could thereby lead to an unwarranted expansion of federal power and a corresponding erosion of individual rights.

             Neither argument against a bill of rights carried the day.  Antifederalist responded tellingly by turning these Federalist arguments against the Constitution itself.  They noted that the Constitution already enumerated some of the rights of the people-such as the protections against ex post facto laws and bills of attainder in Article I, Section 9, and the right to a jury trial in criminal cases in Article III, Section 2. If an incomplete enumeration was dangerous as the Federalists had so strenuously argued, then the severely incomplete list of rights already in the Constitution was dangerous indeed.  No further harm could be done by expanding the list.

            When it became clear that the Constitution was headed for defeat, the Federalists turned the political tide by promising to support a bill of rights after ratification.  Several state conventions accompanied their ratification of the Constitution with lengthy lists of rights and other provisions they wanted added at the first opportunity.  By this maneuver, the proponents of the Constitution deprived the Antifederalists of their principal argument against ratification.

            However, getting Congress to consider a bill of rights turned out to be no easy feat.  The congressional record shows Representative James Madison repeatedly urging the House to take up the matter only to be told by various congressmen that enacting the first tax bill was far more important than enacting a bill of rights.  Eventually, in a lengthy and revealing speech, Madison proposed a series of amendments to the Constitution.  He explained that a bill of rights was needed, not only to quiet the fears and suspicions of those who still doubted the new Constitution and to induce those states who had not ratified the Constitution to do so, but also to better protect the liberties of the people, As Madison observed:

      If they are incorporated into the constitution, independent tribunals of justice will consider
      themselves in a peculiar manner the guardians of those rights; they will be an impenetrable
      bulwark against every assumption of power in the legislative or executive; they will naturally
      be led to resist every encroachment upon rights expressly stipulated for in the constitution
      by the declaration of rights.
      6    

In his speech, Madison took up the Federalist argument he himself had made during the ratification debates that any effort to enumerate rights would be dangerous:

      It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions
      to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in the enumeration;
      and it might follow, by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended
      to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. 
      This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard urged against the admission of
      a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against.  I have attempted
      it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.
      7

The passage Madison referred to was the precursor of the Ninth Amendment which read as follows:

      The exceptions here or elsewhere in the constitution, made in favor of particular rights, shall
      not be so construed as to diminish the just importance of other rights retained by the people,
      or as to enlarge the powers delegated by the constitution; but either as actual limitations of such
      powers, or as inserted merely for greater caution.
      8

Madison's proposals were referred to a Select Committee of the House which was created to consider what amendments to the Constitution might be appropriate.

             Although there is much that is controversial about the Ninth Amendment, the story of its enactment that I have just summarized is not.  In light of this history, the original meaning of the Ninth Amendment is clear: When forming a government the people retained rights in addition to those listed in the Bill of Rights.  But while the meaning of the Ninth Amendment may be clear, its implications for constitutional adjudication are not.  Are the unenumerated rights judicially enforceable as the enumerated rights have come to be?  If so, what exactly are these rights?  For most, the answer to the first of these questions hinges on our ability to answer the second.  As Robert Bork observed:  "Senator, if anybody shows me historical evidence about what they meant, I would be delighted to do it.  I just do not know." 9 Most would agree with Bork that, if the uncertainty surrounding their content can be resolved, unenumerated rights should be enforceable.  Otherwise, although the Congress and the Executive could be prevented from violating enumerated rights, both could violate the unenumerated rights with impunity.  Surely this would disparage, if not entirely deny, the unenumerated rights.

             There is little question that the rights retained by the people refer, at least in part, to what are called 'natural rights"-that is, the rights people have independent of those they are granted by a government and by which the justice of governmental action is to be judged.  Despite their many differences, the Framers of the Constitution shared a common belief that although the people may delegate certain powers to their agents in government, they still retain their natural rights.  This belief is illustrated by one provision of a recently discovered draft of a bill of rights written by Representative Roger Sherman, who served with Madison on the House Select Committee that drafted the Bill of Rights:

      The people have certain natural rights which are retained by them when they enter into Society,
      Such am the rights of Conscience in matters of religion; of acquiring property, and of pursuing
      happiness & Safety; of Speaking, writing and publishing their Sentiments with decency and freedom;
      of peaceably assembling to consult their common good, and of applying to Government by petition
      or remonstrance for redress of grievances.  Of these rights therefore they Shall not be deprived by
      the Government of the united States.
      10

             T'his list, which was not intended to be exhaustive, includes some rights that were eventually enumerated in the Bill of Rights.  Others, such as the rights to acquire property and pursue happiness and safety, were left unenumerated.  The Ninth Amendment establishes that no one should conclude that, because some powers had been delegated to government and some rights had been singled out, the other unenumerated retained rights were, in Madison's words, 'assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure." 11

             T'ne problem with putting the Ninth Amendment into effect today is that many no longer appreciate the natural rights that the Constitution's Framers took for granted.  Yet if the Framers had anticipated the modern philosophical skepticism about natural rights, they would never have settled for the few rights that were enumerated.  Fortunately, there is a practical method of interpreting unenumeratod rights that does not require us to agree on a comprehensive list of unenumerated rights.  Before considering this method, let me briefly describe what I have elsewhere called the "originalist method" of identifying unenumerated rights." 12

   THE ORIGINALIST METHOD AND ITS LIMITS

             To discern those unenumerated rights the Framers had in mind, we might begin, as Robert Bork suggested, by examining the written records of the period, including the numerous rights proposed by the ratification conventions," 13 and the theoretical writings of the Framers. 14 No ink blot prevents us from reading these materials.  I have already mentioned the right to acquire property as one that the Framers unquestionably believed to be a natural and inalienable right which was retained by the people when forming a government.  Freedom of conscience is another.  Although a list of rights developed by using an originalist method of interpretation may be viewed as truncated-even from the Framers' perspectives truncated list is better than none.

             The originalist method will hardly suffice, however.  The Framers believed it was dangerous to enumerate any rights because the rights of the people are boundless.  As James Wilson, a natural-rights theorist explained, "there are very few who understand the whole of these rights." 15 None of the classic political writers claim to provide "a complete enumeration of rights appertaining to the people as men and as citizens. . . . Enumerate all the rights of men!  I am sure, sirs, that no gentleman in the late Convention would have attempted such a thing." 16 This is the reason why Wilson and others thought any attempt to enumerate rights would be dangerous.  "In all societies,' Wilson observed:

      there are many powers and rights, which cannot be particularly enumerated.  A bill of rights
      annexed to a constitution is an enumeration of the powers reserved.  If we attempt an enumeration,
      everything that is not enumerated is presumed to be given.  The consequence is, that an imperfect
      enumeration would throw all implied power into the scale of government; and the rights of the
      people would be rendered incomplete."
      17

            It is important that we understand exactly why rights cannot exhaustively be enumerated if we are to devise a way of protecting these retained rights without specifically enumerating each and every one.

            Rights are unenumerable because rights define a private domain within which persons have a right to do as they wish, provided their conduct does not encroach upon the rightful domain, of others.  As long as their actions remain within this rightful domain, other persons-including the government-should not interfere.  Because people have a right to do whatever they please within the boundaries defined by natural rights, this means that the rights retained by the people are limited only by their imagination and could never be completely specified or enumerated.

             This open-ended conception of rights is illustrated by a fascinating exchange that occurred during the debate in the House over the wording of what eventually became the First Amendment proposed by the House Select Committee.  At one juncture in the debate, Representative Theodore Sedgwick criticized the committee's inclusion of the right of assembly on the grounds that 'it is a self-evident, unalienable right which the people possess; it is certainly a thing that never would be called into question; it is derogatory to the dignity of the House to descend to such minutiae. . . ." 18 Representative Egbert Benson replied to Sedgwick that: "Me committee who framed this report proceeded on the principle that these. rights belonged to the people; they conceived them to be inherent; and all that they meant to provide against was their being infringed by the Government." 19 Sedgwick then responded that:

      if the committee were governed by that general principle, they might have gone into a very lengthy
      enumeration of rights; they might have declared that a man should have a right to wear his hat if he
      pleased; that he might get up when he pleased, and go to bed when he thought proper ....
      20

Notice that Sedgwick was not denying that one had a right to wear one's hat or go to bed when one pleased.  To the contrary, he equated these inherent rights with the right of assembly which he characterized as 'self-evident' and unalienable." 21 Indeed, Representative John Page's reply to Sedgwick made this explicit '[L]et me observe to him," said Page:

      that such rights have been opposed, and a man has been obliged to pull off his hat when he
      appeared before the face of authority; people have also been prevented from assembling together
      on their lawful occasions, therefore it is well to guard against such stretches of authority, by
      inserting the privilege in the declaration of rights.
      22

Sedgwick's point was that the Constitution should not be cluttered with a potentially endless list of trifling rights that "would never be called in[to] question" 23 and were not "intended to be infringed." 24 Sedgwick's argument implicitly that the 'self-evident, unalienable,' and inherent liberty rights retained by the people are unenumerable because the human imagination is limitless.  It includes the right to wear a hat, to get up when one pleases and go to bed when one pleases, to scratch one's nose when it itches (and even when it doesn't), and to take a sip of Diet Coke when one is thirsty.

             But this returns us to the most controversial aspect of the Ninth Amendment.  How can such unenumerable rights find legal protection without empowering judges simply to make up whatever rights may appeal to them?  Raoul Berger, for one, has charged that any effort to protect the unenumerated rights referred to in the Ninth Amendment would provide -a bottomless well in which the judiciary can dip for the formation of undreamed of 'rights' in their limitless discretion. . . ." 25 The answer to this concern lies in something like the "general right to liberty" that Robert Bork once searched for-only it is more accurate to call it a presumption of liberty.

THE PRESUMPTION OF LIBERTY   

            As long as they do not violate the rights of others (as defined by the common law of property, contract and tort), persons are presumed to be "immune" from interference by government.  This presumption means that citizens may challenge any government action that restricts their otherwise rightful conduct, and the burden is on the government to show that its action is within its proper powers or scope.  At the national level, the government would bear the burden of showing that its acts were both "necessary and proper" to accomplish an enumerated function, rather than, as now, forcing the citizen to prove why it is he or she should be left alone.  At the state level, the burden would fall upon state government to show that legislation infringing the liberty of its citizens was a necessary exercise of its 'police power'-that is, the state's power to protect the rights of its citizens.

            Any society such as ours that purports to be based on a theory of limited government already assumes that legislation must be a proper exercise of government power.  The presumption of liberty simply requires that when legislation or executive actions encroach upon the liberties of the people, they may be challenged on the grounds that they lack the requisite justification.  And a neutral magistrate must decide the dispute.  As Madison observed in The Federalist No. 10:

      No man is allowed to be the judge in his own cause, because his interest would certainly bias
       his judgment, and, not improbably, corrupt his integrity.  With equal, nay, with greater reason,
      a body of men are unfit to be both judges and parties at the same time; yet what are many of
      the most important acts of legislation but so many judicial determinations, not indeed
      concerning the rights of single persons, but concerning the rights of large bodies of
      citizens?
      and what are the different classes of legislators but advocates and parties to the
      causes which they determine? . . . . Justice ought to hold the balance between them.
      26

When legislation encroaches upon the liberties of the people, only review by an impartial judiciary can ensure that the rights of citizens are protected and that justice holds the balance between the legislature or executive and the people.

            Lest anyone think this point is obvious let me hasten to note that today the presumption used by the Supreme Court is precisely the reverse.  According to what the Court calls the 'presumption of constitutionality," legislation will be upheld if any "rational basis' for its passage can be imagined, unless it violates a "fundamental" right-and liberty has not been deemed by the Court to be a fundamental right.  As the Court stated in United States v. Carolene Products Co.: 27 "There may be a narrower scope for operation of the presumption of constitutionality when legislation appears on its face to be within a specific prohibition of the Constitution, such as those of the first ten amendments, which are deemed equally specific when held to be embraced within the Fourteenth. . ." 28 In other words, the enumerated rights may narrow the presumption of constitutionality, but one of the unenumerated rights retained by the people will have no such power-limiting effect.

             While the presumption of liberty is not the only implication of the Ninth Amendment, it provides a practical and powerful method of protecting unenumerated rights.  As lawyers well know, the outcome of legal disputes is often determined by the burden of proof.  For example, the First Amendment has been held to impose a serious burden on the government to justify any of its actions that restrict the natural right of free speech.  In countless cases, this "presumption of free speech" has effectively protected this retained but enumerated right.  The Ninth Amendment simply extends the same protective presumption to all other exercises of liberty.

            Although originally the Ninth Amendment, like the rest of the Bill of Rights, was most likely intended by the Framers to be enforced only against the federal government, this was not because it was thought that the people had surrendered all their rights to state governments-a suggestion belied by the swift incorporation into most state constitutions of provisions identical to the Ninth Amendment. Indeed, many rights such as the right of conscience or the right to acquire property-were thought to be unalienable, which means that the people could not surrender them to any government even if they wanted to.  Rather, the Congress and the federal courts originally lacked jurisdiction to protect the retained -privileges or immunities" of citizens from abuses by their states.  As we all know, this arrangement was fundamentally changed by the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment after the civil war.  Today, if a state government infringes upon a right the people retained against their respective states, there is no Jurisdictional barrier preventing Federal protection of this right.

APPLYING THE PRESUMPTION OF LIBERTY TODAY 

            To see how a presumption of liberty might operate today, consider Congress's power under Article 1, Section 8 to 'establish post offices.' Having exercised this establishment power, Congress is free under the Necessary and Proper clause to regulate the operation of its post offices in any manner it sees fit.  However, what happens when Congress, allegedly pursuant to its postal powers, goes beyond its power to administer its own offices and claims the further power to establish a postal monopoly, as it has?  According to the now prevailing presumption of constitutionality, Congress would be free to establish a monopoly unless either potential competitors or consumers of postal services could prove that this claimed government power violates a fundamental right.  For example, competitors might allege a fundamental right to carry first class mail, while recipients of mail could claim they had a fundamental night to send first class mail by an), means they chose.  Because these rights sound trivial rather than fundamental they are easy to disparage-almost as easy to disparage as the trifling right to wear a hat or go to bed when one pleases.  Consequently, courts have not barred the Congress from establishing its monopoly or even inquired very seriously, as to whether such laws are truly necessary or proper.  With judges lacking a proper view of the Ninth Amendment, today the outcome of such a lawsuit would be virtually pre-determined: the government wins and the citizen loses.

             A presumption of liberty, however, would shift the burden of proof from the citizen to the government.  Instead of imposing the burden on the citizen to establish the violation of a "fundamental" right, a burden would be imposed on the government, in this case upon Congress, to show a compelling why it is both n and proper to grant its own post office a legal monopoly.  In enacting the Constitution, the people retained their unenumerated right to establish their own private post offices if they so chose.  They neither expressly nor impliedly surrendered this right up to the general government.  The Ninth Amendment serves as an ever-present reminder that the mere fact that such a right is left out of the Bill of Rights ought not to suggest otherwise.

              In a speech before the second House of Representatives, the author of the Ninth Amendment, James Madison himself, used it in a strikingly similar fashion to object to the pending bill to establish a single national bank on the grounds that the bill was unconstitutional.  His usage also helps clarify the relationship between the Ninth Amendment's protection of the rights retained by the people and the Tenth Amendment's injunction that: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

             Madison examined the Constitution at length to see if the power to create such a bank could be found among any of those delegated to the government and be concluded that 'it is not possible to discover in [the Constitution] the power to incorporate a Bank." 29 He then considered whether the proposed bank might be justified under the Necessary and Proper Clause 30 as a means of executing the Borrowing Power. 31 "Whatever meaning this clause may have," Madison began, "none can be admitted, that would give unlimited discretion to Congress.  Its meaning must, according to the natural and obvious force of the terms and the context, be limited to means necessary to the end, and incident to the nature of the specified powers." 32

             Madison's argument here reflects one of the reasons he had offered for adopting a bill of rights during his speech the year before to the first House of Representatives in which he proposed amendments to the Constitution:

      It is true, the powers of the General Government are circumscribed, they are directed to particular
      objects; but even if Government keeps within those limits, it has certain discretionary powers with
      respect to the means, which may admit of abuse to a certain extent, . . . in the constitution of the
      United States, there is a clause granting to Congress the power to make all laws which shall be
      necessary and proper for carrying into execution the powers vested in the Government of the United
      States, or in any department thereof.
      33

Madison contended that a bill of rights was one way to police abuses of this lawmaking discretion.

             In evaluating whether the Necessary and Proper Clause justified the claimed power to create a national bank, Madison contrasted the requirement of necessity with that of mere convenience or expediency.  'But the proposed bank," he said:

      could not even be called necessary to the Government; at most it could be but convenient.  Its
      uses to the Government could be supplied by keeping the taxes a little in advance; by loans from
      individuals; by the other Banks, over which the Government would have equal command; nay greater,
      as it might grant or refuse to these the privilege (a free and irrevocable gift to the proposed Bank)
      of using their notes in the Federal revenues.
      34

Notice that Madison was not simply making what would now be called a "policy" choice.  Earlier in his address to the House, Madison did address the policy issues raised by the proposal when he 'began with a general review of the advantages and disadvantages of Banks." 35 However, "[i]n making these remarks on the merits of the bill, he had reserved to himself the right to deny the authority of Congress to pass it." 36 Rather, in the passage I quoted, Madison is making the constitutional argument that these other means of accomplishing an enumerated object or end are superior precisely because they do not entail the violation of the rights retained by the people and are therefore to be preferred in principle.  In particular, these measures do not involve the grant of a monopoly, "which," in Madison's words, "affects the equal rights of every citizen." 37

             In other words, there is a difference in principle between these alternative means; just as there is a difference in principle, not merely policy, between drafting citizens and paying volunteers as the congressional power to "raise and support Armies..." 38 Although Article I, Section 8 delegates this power to Congress, when it chooses a means of accomplishing this end that intrudes upon the liberties of the people, as a military draft does, then it must justify this rights infringement by showing that its acts are genuinely necessary and proper.  The government must show that it cannot accomplish its constitutionally delegated end by means that do not trespass upon the rights retained by the people.

            Finally, in his bank speech Madison also questioned the proposed exercise of the Necessary and Proper Clause on the grounds that the power claimed was highly remote from any enumerated power.  "Mark the reasoning on which the validity of the bill depends," he observes:

      To borrow money is made the end, and the accumulation of capitals implied as the means. 
      The accumulation of capitals is then the end, and a Bank implied as the means.  The Bank is
      then the end, and a charter of incorporation, a monopoly, capital punishments, &c., implied
      as the means.

      If implications, thus remote and thus multiplied, can be linked together, a chain may be formed
      that will reach every object of legislation, every object within the whole compass of political
      economy.

      The latitude of interpretation required by the bill is condemned by the rule furnished by the
      Constitution itself.
      39

As authority for this "rule" of interpretation, Madison cited the Ninth Amendment:

      The explanatory amendments proposed by Congress themselves, at least, would be good authority
      with them; all these renunciations of power proceeded on a rule of construction, excluding the latitude
       now contended for. . . . He read several of the articles proposed, remarking particularly on the llth
      [the Ninth Amendment] and 12th [the Tenth Amendment], the former, as guarding against a latitude
      of interpretation
      ; the latter, as excluding every source of power not of exercising the within the
      Constitution itself.
      40

            Thus, Madison viewed the Ninth and Tenth Amendments as playing distinct roles.  Madison viewed the Tenth Amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people") as authority for the rule that the Congress could only exercise a delegated power.  For example, in the illustrations I have used, Congress could not establish a post office or raise and support armies without a delegation of power to pursue these ends.  In contrast, Madison viewed the Ninth Amendment as providing authority for a rule against the loose construction of these powers-especially the Necessary and Proper Clause-when legislation affects the rights retained by the people.  As Madison concluded in his bank speech: "In fine, if the power were in the Constitution,the immediate exercise of it cannot be essential; if not there, the exercise of it involves the guilt of usurpation. . . ." 41

            In my examples, because a postal monopoly and a military draft infringe upon the rightful liberties of the people, these are suspect means for pursuing delegated ends.  'nose claiming that legislation restricting the rightful liberties of the people falls under a delegated power have the burden of showing that it is a genuinely n and proper exercise of such a power.  As I have argued elsewhere, constitutional rights-including unenumerated rights-operate both as "means-constraints" and as "ends-constraints." 42

            Once the Ninth Amendment is viewed as establishing a presumption of liberty thereby placing a burden of Justification on the government, every action of government that infringes upon the rightful liberties of the people can be called into question.  Is it really necessary that persons-particularly poor persons-obtain licenses requiring extensive testing in such subjects as chemistry before they may work as beauticians?  Is it really necessary that government limit the number of taxicabs it licenses so that the price of taxicab medallions in some cities reaches $10-20,000 or even higher?  Or are all these and other similar measures really ways by which a privileged few seek to eliminate lower priced competition?  Is it really necessary to criminalize the sale and use of intoxicating substances, or is a 'drug-free' society better achieved in ways that do not infringe upon the liberties of the people-perhaps by the sort of education and social pressure that is currently being used so effectively to combat the use of nicotine in cigarettes and the abuse. of alcohol.  Even the current government restrictions that limit the practice of law to those who have attended three years of law school would not be beyond challenge and scrutiny.

             None of these or any other Ninth Amendment claim can be decided in the abstract-by which I mean without taking into account the specifics of particular legislation and the factual context in which it is applied.  What the Ninth Amendment requires, however, is that such claims as these be evaluated when liberty-restricting legislation is challenged by a citizen.  Adopting the presumption of liberty would make this requirement effective.

            This is not to say that the government would never be able to meet its burden.  I fully expect that if a presumption of liberty is established, the courts would find that government has met its burden far more often than they should.  We must never forget that the Supreme Court once upheld the government's power to imprison American citizens of Japanese descent in prison camps because of the threat to national security these citizens allegedly posed. 43 Judicial review is not a panacea for protecting liberty.

             Nor does the presumption of liberty establish a license to do whatever one wishes. Liberal political theorist John Locke put the matter as follows:

        But though this be a State of liberty, yet it is not a State of License . . . . The State of Nature
        has a Law of Nature to govern it, which obliges everyone: And Reason, which is that Law,
        teaches all Mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought
        to harm another in his Life, Health, Liberty, or Possessions.
        44

As I mentioned earlier, justice, which is to say rights, defines the boundaries within which one may do as one wishes.  According to this conception of liberty, one cannot permissibly infringe upon the rightful domains of others.  According to Locke, in the state of nature, "all Men may be restrained from invading others Rights, and from doing hurt to one another." 45 The common law of property, contracts, and torts has traditionally defined the extent and nature of these boundaries.  Tortious conduct is not a "rightful" exercise of one's liberty; one has no constitutional right to commit trespass upon the land of another.  Provided that one is acting rightfully in this sense, however, a presumption of liberty would require government to justify any interference with such conduct.

             Finally, a presumption of liberty does not authorize judges to usurp either legislative or executive functions.  Protecting the rights of individuals and associations to act or refrain from acting in ways that do not violate the common-law rights of others, neither empowers judges to create new "positive rights" nor authorizes them to enact taxes to pay for such rights.  Judges may only strike down offending legislation-and judicial negation is not legislation.  Assuming they have the political will, the other branches of government have more than enough power to defend themselves from judicial encroachment.

CONCLUSION: THE EQUAL PROTECTION OF LIBERTIES AND THE FUTURE OF THE NINTH AMENDMENT

            What is the future of the Ninth Amendment?  In law, as in most areas of life, betting that the future is going to be pretty much like the past is usually the safest wager.  If this turns out to be true, then the Ninth Amendment, which has been so tragically neglected by the Supreme Court over the past two centuries, is doomed to remain in it state of desuetude.  But while betting against change may be the most conservative gamble, it is often a losing one.  The past twenty years has witnessed a trend in the direction of a revived Ninth Amendment. In particular, a renewed interest in the views of the Framers of the Constitution and of the Civil War amendments has caused those who favor an expansive judicial protection of fundamental rights to focus attention on the original intent of the Ninth Amendment. Moreover, the Framers' concept of natural rights is no longer in disrepute.  If the Senate confirmation hearings of Judge Robert Bork to the Supreme Court of the United States was a watershed development in the legitimation of the Ninth Amendment, the confirmation hearings of Justice Clarence Thomas may prove to have a similar effect on the legitimacy of natural rights. 46

             Although, with the addition of Justices Scalia, Kennedy, Souter, and Thomas to the Supreme Court and the elevation of William Rehnquist to Chief Justice, "conservatives" appear now to be in firm control of the Court, the type of "judicial conservatism" that will eventually emerge in the third century of the Bill of Rights is still very much in doubt.  Will it be a majoritarian conservatism of judicial deference to majority will as expressed in legislation?  Or will it be a more libertarian conservatism that views the courts as neutral magistrates empowered to protect the individual from the government? 47 Which of these conservatisms comes eventually to prevail will depend, perhaps in principal part, upon whether a majority of the Court ran be persuaded to take James Madison's Ninth Amendment and its pivotal role in constitutional interpretation to heart.

             Which judicial philosophy prevails will also depend upon whether proponents of the Ninth Amendment will take a more principled stance towards so-called fundamental liberties.  The liberties each person holds "fundamental" are imperiled when advocates of some liberties they hold dear are more than willing to deny or disparage the liberties thought fundamental by others.  For example, many if not most of those favoring a fundamental right of privacy that includes a woman's "right to chose" to terminate a pregnancy offer no support to and indeed would actively oppose those who favor a fundamental "right to choose" to engage in a lawful occupation-such as driving a taxi cab-free from protectionist economic regulations.  And few seem at all concerned with the fundamental "right to choose" whether or not to own a gun or to alter one's mental state by means of substances as alcohol, nicotine, peyote, or heroin.  According to this discriminatory methodology, if some choices are deemed fundamental, other rights-respecting choices are vilified and ridiculed.

            However, by picking and choosing among all the unenumerable liberties of the people to determine which choices are fundamental and which are not, those who would limit judicial protection to those liberties deemed fundamental are putting courts in the difficult position of establishing a hierarchy of liberties.  This contributes to the longstanding fear that any revival of the Ninth Amendment would place courts in the role of a "super-legislature" usurping the functions of other branches.  When interpreted as justifying a presumption of liberty, however, I think this fear of the Ninth Amendment is unfounded precisely because such a presumption provides a principled defense of all liberties of the people and removes the courts from having to decide which liberty is truly fundamental and which is not.

            In sum, adopting the presumption of liberty would enable us finally to acknowledge the Ninth Amendment's unique constitutional function by resisting legislative or executive usurpation of the unenumerated rights "retained by the people" while, at the same time, avoiding unfettered judicial discretion.  The presumption of liberty would permit us finally to remove the ink blot from the Ninth Amendment.  I can think of no better way to celebrate its two hundredth birthday.

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Strike two: Really smart guys

 
Is it really so easy to determine that smacking someone in the face to find out where he has hidden the bomb that is about to blow up Los Angeles is prohibited under the Constitution? Because smacking someone in the face would violate the 8th amendment in a prison context. You can’t go around smacking people about.

Is it obvious that what can’t be done for punishment can’t be done to exact information that is crucial to this society? It’s not at all an easy question, to tell you the truth.

A. Scalia

The most important thing i do in my job is to tell the majority that it can't do what it wants to do, because the constitution forbids it. I stand between you and the majority, with the Constitution in my hand and essentially, I tell the people, you know. "people be damned, you cannot do this. The contitution forbids you.
 
A. Scalia
 
 
 
What if the constitution doesn't say, explicitly, that some action is forbidden.  In spite of the explicit words of James Madison, Judge Bork has found that the ninth amendment cannot possibly mean anything.  It has as much weight as an ink blot.  Scalia says that there are times when he wishes to rule one way, but the constitution forbids it.  He gives as an example a case about flag burning.  But what about torture:  cruel and unusual punishment is forbidden, but if the state is trying to extract information from a suspect. then he is not being punished.  According to Scalia you can torture a person as long as he is enjoying the presumption of innocence, but the moment he is convicted the torture must stop.  AND these guys are really smart!!
 
 
Where in the constitution does it say, explicitly, the majority cannot rule that the dump of a school that negroes are allowed to go to is equal to the school the whites enjoy.  That is one of those things under the ink blot.
 
Where in the constitution does it say, explicitly, that the majority cannot outlaw the use of contraceptives between married couples.  Bork called it a "nutty" law, but testified that he would vote to uphold it.  Just a nutty law:  under the ink blot (we never intended to enforce it against heterosexuals anyway).
 
Where does it say that the majority cannot outlaw homosexual actions?  Another right under the ink blot.  (Thank goodness, because THAT one we did mean to enforce)
 
Where in the constitution does it say, explicitly, that the majority cannot tap your phone, or read your e-mail, or search your car.  Phones, e-mail and automobiles are never mentioned in the constitution.  .
 
 Must be a pretty big ink blot.
 
The founders didn't put any ink blots on the constitution, they were clear and explicit.  Somebody... Anybody explain to me how laws against birth control, laws supporting separate but (NOT) equal education, laws based on the premise that you may have rights, but if you don't know what they are then the police don't have to honor them.... how can this possibly be consistent with these clear and unambiguous statements by the founding fathers.
 

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

 
 
 
Yes, Bork and Scalia are really smart guys, but they are not originalists.  You can't be an originalist without deep regard for the ninth and tenth amendments.  You can't be an originalist and say it might be ok to torture those who are presumed innocent.
 
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Bork v Madison

It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow, by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard urged against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution.
 
J. Madison
 
It was argued that a bill of rights in the constitution was a bad idea.  If we list a set of rights, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly etc. then future generations may come to the, false, conclusion that other rights, unlisted rights, are not inalienable.  The right to use birth control may not be protected.  The right to choose a professon may not be protected.
 
Madison says explicitly this is the best argument against a bill of rights and he says so for good reason.  Consider the testimony of Judge Bork before the Senate Judiciary Committee:
 

Senator DeConcini:

But we are talking here about a little bit different use or I believe a constitutional right of privacy. Let me just pursue with you.

You said yesterday, relating to a question that Senator Hatch asked you regarding Roe v. Wade and the ninth amendment, its application—and correct me please—you said something that nobody really knows what that amendment means. Is that correct?

Judge Bork:

It could be—you know, I can speculate.

Senator DeConcini:

Do you have an opinion on the ninth amendment?

Judge Bork:

The most sensible conclusion I heard was the one offered in the Virginia Law Review, which was that the enumeration, as the ninth amendment says—

Senator DeConcini:

Enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Judge Bork:

:That is right, Senator. And I think the ninth amendment therefore may be a direct counterpart to the 10th amendment. The 10th amendment says, in effect, that if the powers are not delegated to the United States, it is reserved to the States or to the people.

And I think the ninth amendment says that, like powers, the enumeration of rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage rights retained by the people in their State Constitutions. That is the best I can do with it.

Senator DeConcini:

Yes. You feel that it only applies to their State constitutional rights.

Judge Bork:

Senator, if anybody shows me historical evidence about what they meant, I would be delighted to do it. I just do not know.

Senator DeConcini:

I do not have any historical evidence. What I want to ask you is purely hypothetical, Judge. Do you think it is unconstitutional, in your judgment, for the Supreme Court to consider a right that is not enumerated in the Constitution—

Judge Bork:

Well, no.

Senator DeConcini:

—to be found under article IX?

Judge Bork:

There are two parts to that. First, there are some rights that are not enumerated but are found because of the structure of the Constitution and government. That is fine with me. I mean that is a legitimate mode of constitutional analysis.

I do not think you can use the ninth amendment unless you know something of what it means. For example, if you had an amendment that says "Congress shall make no" and then there is an ink blot and you cannot read the rest of it and that is the only copy you have I do not think the court can make up what might be under the ink blot if you cannot read it.

Senator DeConcini:

Let me ask you this question: If you had to speculate, what do you think Madison or some of the framers had in mind as to unenumerated rights?

Judge Bork:

They might have had in mind—this is pure speculation, which I do not think is—

Senator DeConcini:

I understand. I said this is all hypothetical.

Judge Bork:

All right. They might have had in mind what I said about the enumeration of these does not entitle judges to override the state constitutional rights. They also might have had in mind perhaps a fixed category of what they regarded as natural rights, although if they did have in mind a category of natural rights, I am a little surprised they did not spell it out and put it into the Constitution, because they specified all the other rights.

There is little evidence that I know of that this was to be a dynamic category of rights, that is that under the ninth amendment the court was free to make up more Bill of Rights. There is no evidence of that at all that I know of. And I think that had that been their objective, they could have spelled it out a lot better, and a lot of the constitutional debates we had right after the Constitution was formed, and John Marshall began applying the Constitution and so forth, would have been irrelevant debates because the court is just entitled to make up constitutional rights.

Senator DeConcini:

Would you say that in your judgment it would be unconstitutional for the Supreme Court to find a right—we will not say what it is, but Right A—

Judge Bork:

If a Supreme Court makes—

Senator DeConcini:

[continuing]. Because it is not enumerated here.

Judge Bork:

If the Supreme Court makes up a new right for which there is not historical evidence, then I think it has exceeded its powers under the Constitution.

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Strike one

I notice the blog word processor did not handle my last posting, a statement by Scalia, very well.  I apologize to my reader... she knows who she is.
 
There are three reasons that I do not like Scalia and why I dislike the way he decides cases.  I would like to present these reasons in turn.  I would then like to turn to transcripts of Borks testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee (if I can find them) and finally I would like to say a  few words of my own.  Following that Chasby has some comments he would like to make about Obama and BAIPA.   That should keep me occupied for a few days at least.
 
The first blog I ever stumbled on and still my favorite was called Legal Fiction.  It was run by a fellow who called himself Publius.  (a hat tip to Chasby for knowing where he got that pseudonym).  Publius has passed the bar, presumably practices law and blogs part time on Obsidian Wings
 
 
What follows is an argument he made in March of 05 and can still be found here
 
http://lawandpolitics.blogspot.com/2005_03_01_lawandpolitics_archive.html#111017626640550396
 
I’ve often wondered why so many highly intelligent people – including Scalia – are so enamored of a legal philosophy that often seems anachronistic and ill-suited to the realities of post-industrial modernity. I’ve even written before about how originalism seems eerily related to a form of religious fundamentalism where the religion’s founders are deified and the high priests urge the people to return to the values of the past, lost golden age. My views have evolved somewhat, but I still believe that a big part of the passionate attachment many feel for Bork, Scalia, and originalism is essentially religious in nature, and is one of the many manifestations of the wider backlash against Enlightenment secularism that includes people like James Dobson and Osama bin Laden.

But viewed from another perspective, Scalia’s originalism is an ideal of Enlightenment values. The beauty of Scalia’s jurisprudence is that it is so logically coherent – and it is this perfect coherence that emits the gravitational pull on so many young impressionable legal minds. With Scalia, like Freud, there is an answer to all questions. Or more precisely, there is always an answer to that most fundamental of questions – “What does the Constitution mean?” To Scalia and his disciples, this question is no different from a mathematical proof. You merely need to work through the steps to answer a question about what phrases like “cruel and unusual” mean. It’s all fairly simple. Just work back to whatever meaning became frozen in 1789 and apply that meaning today. “Cruel” means “that which was cruel in 1789.” It’s a perfectly coherent system that is eminently logical and fully consistent with Enlightenment values.

But if the 20th Century taught us nothing else, it taught to us to beware of systems that have answers to all questions. Like most universal models, Scalia’s error is foundational.

There are of course numerous objections to raise against originalism – (1) that collective “understanding” is conceptually barren and did not exist; (2) that the human mind in the 21st century is incapable of discovering it and properly applying it even if it did exist; and (3) that even if it did exist and we could know it and apply it that we should do so given that women and slaves were excluded from the process that froze the Constitution in place for all eternity. But putting those aside, I want to focus on the textualist objection to Scalia’s originalism because I think it shatters the very foundation of his jurisprudence. After all, that’s what I am – a non-originalist textualist.

To me, the Constitution consists of words and nothing else. Text is the essence of what it is. But as any linguist would tell you, a word never has a single determinant meaning. Instead, it has a range of plausible meanings. The word “cool” can mean very different things, even though the actual text of the word itself remains the same. Words also change through time, and changes in background context can also change the meaning of the word. The text of the Constitution is no different. Words like “cruel,” “unreasonable,” “speech,” “commerce,” “cruel and unusual,” and “search” lack a clear determinant meaning. That’s not to say they are wholly indeterminate, but rather that there is a range of plausible meanings.

Here’s what I’m getting at. Scalia looks at the Constitution and sees “understandings” – I look at the Constitution and see words. Scalia’s entire legal edifice is built not upon words, but upon a single understanding of a word. In other words, it’s built not on the meaning of the text, but upon the selection of a single subset of the word’s total possible meanings – one that is contingent and arbitrary. I see no reason – and more critically, no justification in the text – to favor one “understanding” over another. I look at the word “cruel” and see that it could have a number of different meanings – not an infinite number, but a range of them. Scalia arbitrarily selects one of these meanings, ties into the rhetorically pleasing image of the framing, and builds an entire jurisprudence upon it.

To me, the Framers ratified words. They did not ratify floating penumbras of understandings that surround and envelop the words. The words we have. The understandings we don’t. Even assuming such a thing as “collective understanding” actually exists – it exists in fragmentary clippings of newspapers and speeches from the 1700s. The nation should not be bound by the conclusions of Randy Barnett’s historical research.

When you get away from this idea that we cannot stray from the brooding omnipresence in the sky that is the “original understanding,” you can begin to inject more pragmatism and more democratic deliberation into matters that effect hundreds of millions of American lives. Obviously, we cannot stray from the text. “Cruel” can never mean something that only one state outlaws. But once we are within the bounds of the plausible, we can engage in policy analysis and other pragmatic inquiries to determine what the meaning should be. If “cruel” could plausibly mean “A”, “B” or “C”, then is it so wrong to ask what the right answer should be, when the answer could be any of the three? This is pragmatic textualism – constitutional interpretation’s Third Way. Its motto is:

When choosing among textually justified outcomes, it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law should be, not what it is.

It’s a serious point. The judiciary can't say "what the law is," because there "is" no one meaning. Whenever any court interprets a boundedly indeterminate word, it is essentially saying what the law "should be."

When Scalia sees uncertainty, he tries to impose a single understanding of a word on to the public (one that uncannily meshes with modern day conservative economic and cultural preferences). When I see uncertainty, I want a pragmatic, democratic give-and-take about which understanding – or meaning – to adopt (assuming of course we’re within the bounds of the text).

That's why Scalia's jurisprudence is both consistent and antithetical to the Enlightenment. Getting away from the religious aspects of originalism, it is a tightly constructed narrative that is logically coherent. However, the system is so rigid and backwards-looking that, taken to its logical implication, the practical effect of the interpretation upon the millions of people who must live with it is completely irrelevant. This one particular understanding is all that matters.

Fortunately, the Framers were smart enough to give us more freedom than that.

The earth belongs to the living, not to the dead. Thomas Jefferson
 
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Scalia does a somewhat better job than Chasby

Legal Documents

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, in a speech before The Catholic University of America, advocates literal interpretation of the Constitution, declaring "[t]he words are the law." On the issue of the right-to-die, which will be argued before the court this session, Scalia says, "the Constitution means what it ought to mean...Absolutely plain that there is no right to die; there were laws against suicide." Here is the text of the October 18, 1996 speech.


                        "A Theory of Constitution Interpretation"
                        Remarks at The Catholic University of America Washington, D.C. Oct. 18, 1996
                        by Justice Antonin Scalia
                        [What is the object of the Court?] This is a matter of interest to not only judges and
                        lawyers, but any intelligent American citizen, philosopher or not. What do you think your
                        judges are doing when they interpret the Constitution? It's sad to tell you after 200 years,
                        there is not agreement on this rather fundamental question: What is the object of the
                        enterprise?
                        I belong to a school, a small but hardy school, called "textualists" or "originalists." That
                        used to be "constitutional orthodoxy" in the United States. The theory of originalism
                        treats a constitution like a statute, and gives it the meaning that its words were understood
                        to bear at the time they were promulgated. You will sometimes hear it described as the
                        theory of original intent. You will never hear me refer to original intent, because as I say I
                        am first of all a textualist, and secondly an originalist. If you are a textualist, you don't
                        care about the intent, and I don't care if the framers of the Constitution had some secret
                        meaning in mind when they adopted its words. I take the words as they were promulgated
                        to the people of the United States, and what is the fairly understood meaning of those
                        words.
                        I do the same with statutes, by the way, which is why I don't use legislative history. The
                        words are the law. I think that's what is meant by a government of laws, not of men. We
                        are bound not by the intent of our legislators, but by the laws which they enacted, which
                        are set forth in words, of course. As I say, until recently this was constitutional
                        orthodoxy. Everyone at least said that: That the Constitution was that anchor, that rock,
                        that unchanging institution that forms the American polity. Immutability was regarded as
                        its characteristic. What it meant when it was adopted it means today, and its meaning
                        doesn't change just because we think that meaning is no longer adequate to our times. If
                        it's inadequate, we can amend it. That's why there's an amendment provision. That was
                        constitutional orthodoxy. When I say constitutional orthodoxy, I don't mean its just
                        judges and lawyers. Judges and lawyers are not very important. It's ultimately the
                        American people. What do they think this document is?
                        That they thought the way I think is demonstrated by the 19th amendment, adopted in
                        1920. That is the amendment which guaranteed women the right to vote. As you know,
                        there was a national campaign of "suffragettes" to get this constitutional amendment
                        adopted, a very big deal to get a constitutional amendment adopted. Why? Why did they
                        go through all that trouble? If people then thought the way people think now, there would
                        have been no need. There was an equal protection clause, right there in the Constitution
                        in 1920. As an abstract matter, what in the world could be a greater denial of equal
                        protection in a democracy than denial of the franchise. [sic] And so why didn't these
                        people just come to the court and say, "This is a denial of equal protection"? Because
                        they didn't think that way. Equal protection could mean that everybody has to have the
                        vote. It could mean that. It could mean a lot of things in the abstract. It could meant that
                        women must be sent into combat, for example. It could meant that have to have unisex
                        toilets in public buildings. But does it mean those things? Of course it doesn't mean those
                        things. It could have meant all those things. But it just never did. That was not its
                        understood meaning. And since that was not its meaning in 1871, it's not its meaning
                        today. The meaning doesn't change.
                        There have been a lot of reasons why you could deny the vote, not only on the basis of
                        sex, but also on the basis of property ownership. On the basis of literacy. It was never
                        regarded as a denial of equal protection. And since it never was, it isn't. That's how they
                        thought. Now you know that that wouldn't happen today. You know that that issue today
                        would be resolved in the Supreme Court. People would come to the court and would say,
                        "The equal protection clause should mean this, and therefore it does meant that.
                        Nevermind what it originally meant."
                        How much things have changed is reflected in our case law, most clearly in our 8th
                        amendment jurisprudence. The 8th amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
                        Some of our cases in recent years say that what constitutes cruel and unusual punishments
                        depends on the age. What comes with the 8th amendment changes according to, and this
                        the phrase that our opinions use, "to reflect the evolving standards of decency of a
                        maturing society." Every day, in every way, we get better and better. Now you know that
                        Pollyanish attitude is not the attitude that is possessed by people who adopt a bill of
                        rights. People who adopt a bill of rights know that societies not only evolve, they also rot.
                        And they are worried that future generations may not have the integrity and the wisdom
                        that they do, so they say, "Some things we are going to freeze in, and they will not
                        change." But no, with all this development, away from originalism, has [sic] occurred
                        within the past forty years. [sic] Today, we say in our opinions, We believe, the court
                        believes, and worst of all the American people believe that not only the 8th amendment
                        but the whole Bill of Rights, the whole Constitution, "reflects the evolving standards of
                        decency of a maturing society." Or, to put it more simply, the Constitution means what it
                        ought to mean. Not what it did mean, but what it ought to mean. And so, all sorts of
                        rights that clearly did not exist at the time of the Constitution today. It's plain that the
                        right to an abortion was not thought to exist in 1791 or at the time that post-Civil War
                        amendments were adopted; absolutely plain. There were laws against them in all the
                        states.
                        Absolutely plain that there is no right to die; there were laws against suicide.  And you
                        can go right down the list.
                        This is not, I caution you, a liberal versus conservative issue.  Conservatives are fully as
                        prepared to create new rights under this evolutionist theory of the Constitution, as liberals
                        are.  Last term, we created a big brand new one that the liberals like, when we held in
                        Rohmer that a state could not be constitutional amendment prohibit its subunits from
                        providing special treatment on the basis of homosexuality.  Liberals like that one.  But the
                        same term, in fact within weeks of it, I believe, we also said that there is a federal
                        constitutional right, which my Constitution doesn't reflect, not to have an excessive jury
                        verdict.  We struck down excessive punitive damages.  Now there have been excessive
                        jury verdicts for over 200 years. Nobody ever thought that it was a federal matter, that it
                        violated the federal Constitution.  Punitive damages are no different in that respect from
                        excessive compensatory damages.  So it's not liberal/conservative.
                        It's modernist versus the traditional view of the Constitution.  It should not be thought,
                        although it is often argued, that this new way of looking at the Constitution is desirable
                        because it promotes needed flexibility.  That's the argument you sometimes hear.  The
                        argument is usually made in anthropomorphic terms, like the people who talk about the
                        stock market is resting for a new assault at the 4000 level.  They do the same thing with
                        Constitution.  The argument is "The Constitution is meant for a living society.  If it could
                        not grow and evolve with the society, it would become brittle and snap.  You have to
                        provide the flexibility."  A very plausible argument.  It sounds wonderful until you start
                        to think, "Now, wait a minute.  Do these people, who want to chuck away the old
                        original, constitution, is it flexibility they're looking for?"  What was the situation, before
                        Roe vs. Wade?  If you wanted a right to an abortion, create that right the way a
                        democratic society creates most rights.  Pass a law.  If you don't want it, pass a law
                        against it.  Or capital punishment.  I have sat with three colleagues on the Supreme Court
                        who thought that capital punishment is unconstitutional.  Even though the Constitution
                        mentions capital punishment.  The clause you're all familiar with: "No person shall be
                        deprived of life, liberty or property without due process..."  What do you think they're
                        talking about?  They're talking about the death penalty.  And elsewhere, it says you shall
                        not be sentenced for a capital crime without a grand jury indictment.  What do think
                        they're talking about?  They're talking about the death penalty, clearly approved in the
                        text of the Constitution. It doesn't matter.  For the constitutional evolutionist, everyday is
                        a new day.  And so, the death penalty may be unconstitutional.  Now does that produce
                        flexibility? Under the original disposition, you want to have the death penalty?  Enact it.
                        You don't want it?  Repeal it.  That's flexibility.
                        So these people who go around talking about the need for growing and bending -- that's
                        nonsense.  What these people want is to impose a view of things on the whole society
                        from coast to coast, and it is most quickly and most effectively done through the
                        Constitution.  Now there's several vices to a non-originalist approach to the text of the
                        Constitution.  The first difficulty with it, and the most important really, is the question of
                        legitimacy.  The Constitution of the United States nowhere says that the Supreme Court
                        shall be the last word on what the Constitution means.  Or that the Supreme Court shall
                        have the authority to disregard statutes enacted by the congress of the United States on
                        the ground that in its view they do not comport with the Constitution.  It doesn't say that
                        anywhere.  We made it up.  Now, we made it up very sensibly, because what we said was
                        "Look, a constitution is a law, it's sort of a super-law."  This is what Marbury v. Madison
                        said.  And what the law means is the job of courts. They have to say it all the time.
                        Courts frequently have to try to reconcile conflicting statutes, for example.  In doing so,
                        they have to interpret them.  If they cannot reconcile them, they simply say the more
                        recent one prevails over the older one.  And in the case of a "super- law" such as the
                        Constitution, when they can't reconcile the law and the "super-law", the constitution
                        prevails. And, says John Marshall, "That's what courts do.  It is assuredly the function of
                        the courts to say what the law is."
                        It's lawyer's work.  But if that is not what the Constitution is, if it is not a text, like a
                        statute, which means what it meant when it was passed.  If it is rather sort of an empty
                        bottle that contains the aspirations of the society, just all sorts of wonderful aspirations,
                        the precise content of which is quite indeterminate.  No cruel and unusual punishment
                        today, it may mean the death penalty is ok, tomorrow it won't.  Due process of law,
                        whatever that means.  We're just in love with these abstractions, and the Supreme Court
                        in the future shall decree for us what these abstractions mean.  Now if that's what the
                        Constitution is, it's a sort of list of aspirations, not a real law, then Marbury v. Madison is
                        wrong.
                        I'm not very good at determinating what the aspirations of the American people are.  I am
                        so out of touch with the American people.  I don't even try to be in touch.  People
                        mention movie stars and I don't know who they're talking about.  I get a blank look on my
                        face.  If you want somebody who's in touch with what are the evolving standards of
                        decency that reflect a maturing society, ask the congress.  And of course that's the way it's
                        done in the United Kingdom.  The parliament says what the English constitution consists
                        of.  So if you really believe in the evolving theory, we made a mistake in Marbury v.
                        Madison, and the Supreme Court shouldn't stick its nose into this stuff at all.  It should be
                        up to the congress to determine where we evolve.  What makes you think a committee of
                        nine lawyers ought to tell where we're evolving to.  I mean, I'm a philosophy minor, but I
                        didn't train as a philosopher. I'm just a lawyer, just between you and me.  That's what I'm
                        really good at.  The second problem with non-originalism is suggested by what I call it.
                        By the name, "non-originalism."
                        There is saying in politics that you can't beat somebody with nobody.  No matter how bad
                        the candidate run by the other party is, unless you put somebody up you're going to loss.
                        It's the same thing for philosophies of constitutional interpretation.  If you don't like
                        originalism, and some originalism pause to debate. Originalism has a lot of problems.  It's
                        not always easy to do.  Sometimes it's very hard.  Sometimes it's awful hard to tell what
                        the original meaning was.  I'll acknowledge all of that.  But the real problem is not
                        whether it's the best thing in the world, but whether there's anything better. And what you
                        have to ask the non-originalist law professor or whoever else is, "what do you propose?"
                        What does a judge consult, if not the original understanding of the text? What binds the
                        biases of judge? Prevents him from simply implementing his own prejudices? What is the
                        standard? And the fact is, I have never heard another one that has a snowball's chance in
                        hell of ever being adopted by more than two people. What are you going to use? The
                        philosophy of Plato? Natural law? That's handy. That will tell judges what to do. Some
                        suggest the philosophy of John Raule. Public opinion polls? Is that what you want? What
                        do you want to use? If you don't take what I suggest, what is the standard? The answer is,
                        there isn't any.
                        And so imagine what a court that is confronted with a constitution believed to be an
                        empty bottle; imagine how a case must be decided. For example, whether there's a right
                        to die. Now if you come tome as a lawyer, I say, oh, I can tell you where there's a right to
                        die. I can look up all these cases. It was criminal in all the states. Nobody thought it was
                        unconstitutional. Clearly understood not to be any federal right to die. But if that doesn't
                        matter, if every day is a new day, and we're talking about the evolving standards of
                        decency of a maturing society, how do I decide it? I don't have any books I can run to. So
                        you can imagine how it must be decided: "Do you think there ought to be a right to die?
                        How about you? Well, that's fine, there must be a right to die." What else are you going
                        to use? And finally I will mention the last deficiency of non-originalism. And that is, in
                        the run[sic], it is the death knell of the constitution[sic]. As I suggested earlier, the whole
                        purpose of the constitution[sic] is to prevent a future society from doing what it wants to
                        do. That's the whole purpose. To change, to evolve, you don't need a constitution, all you
                        need is a legislature and a ballot box. Things will change as fast as you want. You want to
                        create new rights, destroy old ones? That's all you need. The only reason you need a
                        constitution is because some things you don't want the majority to be able to change.
                        That's my most important function as a judge in this system. I have to tell the majority to
                        take a hike. I tell them, "I don't care what you want, but the bill of rights[sic] says you
                        cannot do it." Now if there is no fixed absolute, if the constitution evolves to mean what
                        it ought to mean today. What makes you think the majority is going to leave it to me or to
                        my colleagues to decide what it ought to mean? They will do that if they think it's
                        lawyer's work. If that's no[sic] what the game is about, if that's not what our judges do on
                        the supreme court[sic], if they are supposed to tell us what are the evolving standards of
                        decency that reflect a maturing society I won't look for that quality in my judges. I will
                        look for judges, and a majority of the people will look for judges who agree with them as
                        to what the constitution[sic] means. And so you have the absolutely crazy. We are
                        conducting a mini plebicite[sic] on the meaning of the constitution[sic] every time we
                        select a new person for the supreme court[sic]. Isn't that what's happening? Does it make
                        any sense? but I suggest that is the inevitable result if you abandon originalism and move
                        to a constitution that means what if ought to mean. The people are going to decide what it
                        ought to mean, who will leave technical legal questions to lawyers. But if the question is
                        simply, should it be a denial of equal protection, not was it, but should it be a denial of
                        equal protection for women not to have the vote, they're not going to let a committee of
                        nine lawyers decide that question. They're going to pick the committee that agrees with
                        them. So at the end of this long process, this great evolution from stuffy old originalism
                        to an evolutionary constitution we arrive at the point where the meaning of the
                        constitution[sic], the most important part of the constitution[sic], the bill of rights[sic], is
                        decided upon by the very body that the bill of rights is supposed to protect you as an
                        individual against. Namely, the majority. That seems to me the inevitable demonstration
                        that the only sensible way to construe a constitution is the way you construe statutes.
                        What did its words mean when they were adopted? I think we depart from the traditional
                        view of the constitution[sic] at our own risk. Unfortunately, we've affected the world with
                        this novel view of the constitution[sic]. Many European countries envy the United States
                        supreme court[sic] because of its wonderful power to create rights that ought to exist and
                        eliminate rights that ought not. I suggest this is a very new enterprise. We've only been
                        doing it for forty years. We haven't lasted for 200 years doing it. And we haven't gone far
                        down the road. I think at the end of it, at the end of the road, there is really a serious
                        weakening of constitutional democracy. Thank you.
                        
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Chasby doesn't like liberal judges, what a surprise

Break"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old—and that's the criteria by which I'll be selecting my judges." —Barack Obama

 

 

Break "'I have relied on my own experience in reaching the conclusion that the imposition of the death penalty' is unconstitutional." —Justice John Paul Stevens (who is Obama's kind of judge)


 

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Chasby comment: Do you not find it extremely interesting that the clear wording of the US Constitution dos not even enter the minds of either Barack Obama or Justice John Paul Stevens as to how Supreme Court decisions should be made??!!! 

 

The job of the Supreme Court is to decide cases based on the very clear wording of the US Constitution.  It is NOT to replace the text of the US Constitution with their own judgement of how they would have written the text had they written the Constitution.  If the Constitution needs to be updated then there is a very clear method by which Amendments to the Constitution can be made. 

 

Liberal Democrats typically wants to avoid that entire messy process because they don't have the votes to accomplish their agenda . . . so instead they select judges that will ignore the Constitution and in effect re-write the laws to suit the desires of how the left wants it done. They don't have the votes to enact gay marraige so two or three liberal judges enact gay marraige in Massachusetts as the LAW when there was never the votes to get this done -- even in very liberal Massachusetts.  Voila!  Done.

Toady comment.  I don't know if I will be able to post over the weekend or not.  I will try.

The next few posts, whenever they occur, will explore what it means to "legislate from the bench" and to "create rights out of thin air".  I will especially try to determine if Chasby is consistent:  does he object to judges making law, or does he simply object to judges making laws he doesn't like. (hint, I think it is the latter).

There are many "laws" passed by the Supreme Court.  Would Chasby like for the bill of rights NOT to be binding on the states?  Would Chasby like each state to be free to provide separate but "equal" education for blacks and other minorities?  How about the Miranda rights, which are supported by an overwhelming number of policemen?  No Chasby supports each one of these things, even though there was never the votes to get this done across the United States.

So how does Chasby come up with the sweeping generalizaton above?  I don't know what women really want (after all I'm not Dennis Prager) and I am probably a poor choice to describe why conservatives think what they do... but I will try to find out.  Come back and see if I succeed.

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Final Thoughts on Obama and BAIPA

 

When BAIPA was debated in Illinois, Sandra Day O’Connor was on the Supreme Court. It was the law of the land that a woman has a right to an abortion, at least until the fetus is viable. Today Samuel Alito has replaced her and unless Kennedy should drift to the left, the situation is not so clear.

At the time, however, Obama was probably correct. The law being debated was unconstitutional. This is the part that would make it unconstitutional: 

A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.

If the bill were constitutional I am confident Obama would still vote against it. It takes us back to Zeno’s paradox. You can kill the fetus when it is inside the woman, but move it ten inches and it becomes a citizen with full constitutional rights. At what Euclidean point in this journey does the fetus transform from tissue to citizen?

Obama points out the really sad part though. If O’Malley had been content to make progress without trying to have a state legislature overrule the Supreme Court he could have made progress. Both sides thought that what was going on in the hospitals was inhumane and a bill could have been crafted that would have made a difference. That is not what happened though.

This is emblematic of what I see all the time. Bush would not accept a new FISA bill unless it had retroactive immunity for telecom companies. He ended up getting neither.

I read a conservative column that said, in effect, Ok Obama, you say you can unite the country… which of your precious beliefs are you willing to walk away from in the sake of national unity. The question is false and divisive.

Gun rights advocates say guns don’t kill people, people kill people.  So both sides of the gun control debate have an interest in keeping guns out of the hands of people who would kill.  This can be worked on, save for the polarization.

Obama doesn’t need to walk away from his beliefs, nor does O’Malley. I say to O'Malley do what you can today...act together where there is agreement. On another day in Washington O’Malley’s position prevailed and Bush signed a very similar bill into law. To my knowledge it has not yet been tested in the courts… So by insisting on a "perfect" bill, O'Malley was denied a "good" bill.

In a previous post I quoted Patrick Ruffini (he posts on Hugh Hewitt’s blog from time to time)

If they (the McCain campain) go further with this civility routine, they risk alienating conservatives in talk radio and the blogosphere who are doing the necessary work of defining Obama and rendering him just as radioactive with the base as Hillary…..

The challenge in modern Presidential campaign is not simply to paint your opponent as wrong on the issues, and to prevail in a civil debate. It is to render the opponent unacceptable to 48% of the electorate, and merely less preferable to 3%.

If you think he doesn’t mean what he says I suggest you simply listen to Hewitt’s radio show some day. Hewitt’s show has become a giant centrifuge putting out more radioactivity than all of Iran.

When in the course of a presidential campaign this philosophy pollutes a call-in radio show, that is bad enough, but when it  becomes central to basic governance… well, then you put the country at risk. As it is today.

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Illinois Senate Floor Debate on BAIPA

OBAMA: This bill was fairly extensively debated in the Judiciary Committee, and so I won't belabor the issue. I do want to just make sure that everybody in the Senate knows what this bill is about, as I understand it. Senator O'Malley, the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was -- is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as -- as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living. Is that correct? Is that an accurate sort of description of one of the key concerns in the bill?

O'MALLEY: Senator Obama, it is certainly a key concern that the -- the way children are treated following their birth under these circumstances has been reported to be, without question, in my opinion, less than humane, and so this bill suggests that appropriate steps be taken to treat that baby as a -- a citizen of the United States and afforded all the rights and protections it deserves under the Constitution of the United States.

OBAMA: Well, it turned out -- that during the testimony a number of members who are typically in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that your -- you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child. Then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.

The second reason that it would probably be found unconstitutional is that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as -- as is necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we're probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said before, this probably won't make any difference. I recall the last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I -- I won't, as I said, belabor the point. I think it's important to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we might have compromised and -- and arrived at a bill that dealt with the narrow concerns about how a -- a previable fetus or child was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I'll be voting Present.

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the actual statute

        AN ACT concerning infants who are born alive.
 
 2        Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
 3    represented in the General Assembly:
 
 4        Section 5. The Statute on Statutes is amended by adding
 5    Section 1.36 as follows:
 
 6        (5 ILCS 70/1.36 new)
 7        Sec. 1.36. Born-alive infant.
 8        (a) In determining the meaning of any statute or of any
 9    rule, regulation,   or   interpretation   of   the   various
10    administrative agencies of this State, the words "person",
11    "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant
12    member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any
13    stage of development.
14        (b) As used in this Section, the term "born alive", with
15    respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the
16    complete expulsion or extraction from its mother of that
17    member, at any stage of development, who after that expulsion
18    or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of
19    the umbilical cord, or definite movement of   voluntary
20    muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been
21    cut and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction
22    occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean
23    section, or induced abortion.
24        (c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be
25    fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate
26    protection under the law.
 
27        Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
28    becoming law.
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zeno's paradox

From Math Forum:  

A runner wants to run a certain distance - let us say 100 meters - in a finite time. But to reach the 100-meter mark, the runner must first reach the 50-meter mark, and to reach that, the runner must first run 25 meters. But to do that, he or she must first run 12.5 meters.

...space is infinitely divisible, thus the runner has to reach an infinite number of 'midpoints' in a finite time. This is impossible... and what we perceive as motion is merely an illusion.
 
From Wikipedia
The arrow paradox

You cannot even move.

If everything when it occupies an equal space is at rest, and if that which is in locomotion is always occupying such a space at any moment, the flying arrow is therefore motionless.

Aristotle, Physics VI:9, 239b5

In the arrow paradox, Zeno asks us to imagine an arrow in flight. He then asks us to divide up time into a series of indivisible nows or moments. At any given moment, he argues, if we look at the arrow, it has an exact location, so it is not moving. Yet he continues that movement has to happen in the present; it cannot be that there is no movement in the present yet movement in the past or future. So throughout all time, he concludes, the arrow is at rest, and thus, motion cannot happen.

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From Pro Life Pulse
February 18, 2007
Guest column: "The moral nonsecond"

by Bill Zettler

Is a fetus 8 months and 29 days a human? I know of no one who would dispute that point.

So count backwards a day at a time. How about an hour at a time? A minute?

What if you count backwards a nanosecond at a time? A nanosecond is a billionth of a second, an instant almost immeasurable but a progression of time nonetheless. Where is that nanosecond, that immeasurable instant that becomes the moral boundary between life and death, between moral and immoral?

Can you choose the nanosecond when a fetus is human and the previous nanosecond when it is not human? Because that is really the choice you have to make if you believe a fetus at 8 months and 29 days is a human life.
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Toady says:
You cannot use Zeno's paradox to get to a modern understanding of motion...   Similarly Zettler's analysis does not prove that life begins at conception.
 
With his intellectual construct he cannot even define conception.  Is it when the lucky sperm breaks throught the cell wall of the ovum, when the first hydrogen bond is formed, or when the last hydrogen bond is formed?  There are many many nano-seconds in the "conception moment".
 
I remember seeing my mother in law, Betty, deep in the throes of Alzheimer's shortly before her death.  I had seen her just six weeks previously, but she didn't look like this.  She could not focus her eyes.  She could not speak.  She could not even move her head.  There was no sign of understanding or relation to what was around her.  She interacted with nothing. She still had the same DNA, of course, but all that made Betty unique and special was gone.  Betty certainly did not cease to be Betty in a nano second.
 
Even if "life begins" in some euclidian "nano-moment" there are still big problems.  In vitro fertilization produces many "human beings" which will never be used. Many are discarded, others are stored, frozen in suspended animation.  What constitutional protections do these "snowflakes" enjoy?
 
Any birth control technique that may have the effect of blocking implantation is, what, infanticidemurder?  Is the doctor guilty?  the mother? Everybody but the father it would seem.  Do we apply the death penalty?
 
I would not have a serious problem with a law that limits a woman's right to choose to the first trimester providing there was an exception for the life or health of the mother.  I think the supreme court got it about right.
 
I am not trying to tell somebody when "life begins" or when ensoulment occurs.  I honestly don't know and my conservative friends don't know either.  For me, arrows are not stationary in air; imprisoned in a nano-instant of now.  Betty stopped being Betty long before she was pronounced dead just as it took more than an instant for her to become Betty in the first place.
 
Sixteen undifferentiated cells are not yet human. 
Abortion is not murder.
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Born Alive Infants Protection Act

obama.jpgThis is not a topic that I readily enter into.  I hate talking about abortion because there is no way to win the debate.  Let's say I hear some conservative say that when tax rates go down revenues go up.  All I have to do is simply go the CBO website and look at the revenues collected after Reagan cut taxes and look at the revenues collected after Clinton raised taxes and if I am dealing with fair minded people we quickly reach agreement. *   Talking about abortion is different since what you are really talking about whether a living fetus is human or not.  Chasby would say that life begins at conception even though the sperm and egg were clearly alive prior to conception.  For Chasby the cells become fully human when the genetic material from the mother and father are mixed.  DNA molecules are joined together by hydrogen bonds... that is by electrostatic attraction.  I do not believe that the human soul is contained in electric fields or any other kind of chemical bonds.  So to me the question becomes when does ensoulment occur.
 
Chasby delights in the fact that I don't know when ensoulment occurs or even what it means.  He will say that if I don't know when the fetus becomes human then I must err on the side of caution.  If a fetus might be human then it must be treated as human... you can't kill what might be human.  This is one of Chasby's better arguments and I have a lot of symapathy for it.  I certainly cannot scientifically prove the fetus is not human, but I am not in doubt; sixteen undifferentiated cells are not human.  I would note that you have the same problem at the end of life as you do at the beginning as the family of Terry Schiavo knows all too well.
 
The supreme court has ruled that a woman has a right to an abortion until the fetus becomes viable... it can live on its own.  In Illinois a bill was introduced that stated that any fetus that was alive after being aborted was a human being and must be cared for.  Barack Obama voted present.  He said the bill was unconstitutional as defined by the supreme court.
 
In the Illinois Senate a bill can only be passed by a "constitutional majority".  There are 59 senators and so you need 30 "aye" votes to pass a bill.  A Senator can vote "nay" or he can vote "present".  The present vote is generally used to send a signal to the author of the bill that the legislator would consider voting for the bill in an amended form.  That's the way it works in Illinois.
 
Here is what I want to do... First I want to discuss "when life begins" and why abortion is not murder.  Then I would like to print the reasons Obama gave for voting present.  Finally I would like to say why I believe this had very little to do with abortion and a whole lot to do with politics.  This will take a day or two to wrap up.  Please come back for the whole thing.
 
 
*  Oh how I hope, how I hope that Chasby reads the intro to this post.  He will absolutely wig out !!!  Oh how I hope.  
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the situation in iraq by the Independant

America's allies in Iraq under pressure as civil war breaks out among Sunni

 

 

AFP/GETTY

The scene of a suicide bomb attack in the Sunni village of Albu Mohammed this week

Patrick Cockburn
Saturday, 19 April 2008

"God is Great," screamed a man seconds before he blew himself up, killing 10 people in a restaurant in Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province in western Iraq. A series of suicide bombings have shown over the past week that al-Qa'ida in Iraq, though battered by defections over the past year, is striking back remorselessly at Sunni Arab leaders who ally themselves to the US.

 

In another attack in the village of Albu Mohammed, south of Kirkuk, an elderly man thought by guards to be too old to be a bomber, walked unsearched into a tent filled with mourners attending the funeral of two Sunni tribesmen who had been killed after they joined al-Sahwa, the Awakening Council, as the pro-US Sunni group is called. The man detonated the explosives hidden under his long Arab robes, killing at least 50 people.

A vicious civil war is now being fought within Iraq's Sunni Arab community between al-Qa'ida in Iraq and al-Sahwa while other groups continue to attack American forces. In Baghdad on a single day the head of al-Sahwa in the southern district of Dora was killed in his car by gunmen and seven others died by bombs and bullets in al-Adhamiya district.

US spokesmen speak of a "spike" in violence in recent weeks but in reality security in Sunni and Shia parts of Iraq has been deteriorating since January. The official daily death toll of civilians reached a low of 20 killed a day in that month and has since more than doubled to 41 a day in March. The US and the Iraqi government are now facing a war on two fronts.

The attack in Ramadi shows al-Qa'ida still has support in Anbar province where al-Sahwa was founded and has greater strength in Diyala, Salahudin and Nineveh provinces. In Sunni parts of Baghdad, al-Sahwa often includes members of al-Qa'ida whose loyalties have not changed or gunmen who think it safest to work for the US and al-Qa'ida. "No officer in al-Sahwa walks home unless he has a relationship with al-Qa'ida," said one al-Sahwa member. "It would be too dangerous for him otherwise."

The American-backed government of Nouri al-Maliki is in the meantime stepping up its campaign against the Mehdi Army militia of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Iraqi troops sealed off the Basra office of the Sadrists yesterday. "Troops from the Iraqi army prevented us from holding Friday prayers and now they are cordoning off the office," said Harith al-Idhari, the head of the office. "They want to storm it and clear everybody out of it."

Mr Maliki is convinced that this is the moment to assert himself against the Sadrists despite military setbacks when he launched his offensive against Basra on 25 March. Two brigades of about 600 men, each from the army's 14th Division whose soldiers come from the city, refused to fight the Mehdi Army as did most of Basra's 11,000 police.

The Iraqi government says that it has purged 1,300 men from its armed forces and police since the Basra operation and is willing to try again against the militiamen. But it has only been able to hold its own in Basra, Baghdad and other cities because of backing from the US.

The Sadrist office in Basra is housed in the building of the old Olympic committee. "We have orders to take back all the government buildings that are occupied by parties and political movements in Basra within 48 hours," said the Interior Ministry spokesman Major-General Abdul Karim-Khalaf.

The greatest stronghold of the Sadrists is Sadr City in Baghdad, which has a population of two million and is virtually a twin city to the capital. US forces have now started building a concrete wall which will seal off the southern part of Sadr City. The US and the Iraqi government are particularly keen to gain control of those parts of Sadr City used to lob rockets and mortars into the Green Zone.

Despite government purges, it is still unclear how far Iraqi army units are willing to fight Shia co-religionists. Yesterday a company of government troops abandoned their positions in al-Nasir police station in Sadr City when they came under attack from militiamen during a sandstorm. Another company had deserted earlier in the week.

Mr Maliki is eager to show that the Iraqi government is strong enough to overcome its domestic enemies, but the fighting against al-Qa'ida in Iraq in Sunni districts and the Mehdi Army in Shia areas over the past month has proved the opposite. The Iraqi army has appeared as dependent on American support as it ever was in the past.

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untested?

One of the adjectives, the least visceral, that conservatives use regarding Obama is untested. 


George Bush the first was tested by the Clinton’s, he failed the test.
 
Bob Dole was tested by the Clinton’s, he failed the test.

Rick Lazio was tested by the Clinton’s, he failed the test.

John Spense was tested by the Clinton’s he failed the test.
 
 

Have you seen ANYBODY beat the Clintons?

 So Obama goes in front of the most hostile, unfair and irrelevant debate questions I have ever heard.  He faces the Clintons.

 Conservatives celebrate that Obama got his head handed to him in the debate.  So where is he now….

 
 
20 points UP nationally.

 Barack Obama has been tested by the Clintons, he has passed the test.

 

Do you honestly think McCain will do as much to destroy Obama as Hillary and Bill?

You got the debate you wanted.  Obama is still standing.  He is still winning.   He is tested.  He has passed the test.

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